The Finger,
You will meet him on judgement day and tell him yourself what he needed to do
Oh, don't you worry, if God & i meet on judgement day, i will be having many many words with Him!
Psychotic Parrot
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A better way of doing it, with regards to the 'God' question. If you're a theist or deist, please answer this question.
by Psychotic Parrot inwhy are you a theist or a deist?
please give any or all reasons why without resorting to a god of the gaps argument.
that is the only condition i am making, since in my (& presumably every other atheist's) opinion, a god of the gaps argument simply isn't convincing enough to demonstrate that there is a god, only that there might be a god.. thank you.. p.s.
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A better way of doing it, with regards to the 'God' question. If you're a theist or deist, please answer this question.
by Psychotic Parrot inwhy are you a theist or a deist?
please give any or all reasons why without resorting to a god of the gaps argument.
that is the only condition i am making, since in my (& presumably every other atheist's) opinion, a god of the gaps argument simply isn't convincing enough to demonstrate that there is a god, only that there might be a god.. thank you.. p.s.
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Psychotic Parrot
littlebird,
1.Yes, I do know why I believe those things.
May i ask why?
2. Guess I don't understand what God of gaps means.
Nevermind, it's not important, but it essentially invalidates all teleological arguments for the existence of God.
3. I just watched the video, the incidences I'm referring to have nothing to do with predictions. Even the video suggests a person would have to roll the dice several times for all the numbers to occur in sequence. For a serious situation, a crisis, to have all the pieces fall together the first time, at the right time, for me, is a miracle.
The first time for you maybe, but it's not the first time when you take into account that the world is more than just you. That dice is being rolled all over the world all the time for every living person, it may not come out right for all of them, but it's bound do come out right for some, & you're just one of the many people it comes out right for.
If you really think it's God then i guess you must have a high opinion of yourself to believe that God not only plays favourites, but that you are one of His favourites. What about the rest of us who have to make do with a constant stream of poor dice rolls? And what about the fact that the probability that everything will go right is the same as the probability that everything will go wrong? Which is a concept that was touched upon in the above video i believe.
Cheers birdy!
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A better way of doing it, with regards to the 'God' question. If you're a theist or deist, please answer this question.
by Psychotic Parrot inwhy are you a theist or a deist?
please give any or all reasons why without resorting to a god of the gaps argument.
that is the only condition i am making, since in my (& presumably every other atheist's) opinion, a god of the gaps argument simply isn't convincing enough to demonstrate that there is a god, only that there might be a god.. thank you.. p.s.
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The Finger,
If you mean the God who supposedly created the universe, then the only way i could ever be 100% certain would be to have a one on one meeting with him/her/it in which he/she/it demonstrated how he/she/it carried out the task of universal creation. Anything less than that would leave room for doubt. But some kind of empirical evidence for the existence of this designer would be a start.
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A better way of doing it, with regards to the 'God' question. If you're a theist or deist, please answer this question.
by Psychotic Parrot inwhy are you a theist or a deist?
please give any or all reasons why without resorting to a god of the gaps argument.
that is the only condition i am making, since in my (& presumably every other atheist's) opinion, a god of the gaps argument simply isn't convincing enough to demonstrate that there is a god, only that there might be a god.. thank you.. p.s.
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Psychotic Parrot
littlebird,
1. I believe the accounts of Jesus, both from biblical & secular sources. I believe he really was the Son of God, that he lived, he died and I believe he was resurrected.
I see, do you know why you believe these things?
2. I believe in God on a physical level. I look at nature and I see "design".
That's fine, however this would fit into the 'God of the gaps' catagory of reasons to believe in a God who created the universe.
3. I believe in God on a spiritual level. I pray, I feel "guided". When I listen to this guiding, I fare better than when I don't. In times of trouble, I've had to many experiences where things all fell together that, to me, just couldn't have been coincidence.
Fair enough, but have you ever watched this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98OTsYfTt-c
Cheers
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A better way of doing it, with regards to the 'God' question. If you're a theist or deist, please answer this question.
by Psychotic Parrot inwhy are you a theist or a deist?
please give any or all reasons why without resorting to a god of the gaps argument.
that is the only condition i am making, since in my (& presumably every other atheist's) opinion, a god of the gaps argument simply isn't convincing enough to demonstrate that there is a god, only that there might be a god.. thank you.. p.s.
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VoidEater,
That's because the WTS leaves most people feeling very confused, insecure & (rightfully) untrusting of others. So it's not at all surprising that ex-dubs & other ex-cultists go off in a variety of different directions.
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A better way of doing it, with regards to the 'God' question. If you're a theist or deist, please answer this question.
by Psychotic Parrot inwhy are you a theist or a deist?
please give any or all reasons why without resorting to a god of the gaps argument.
that is the only condition i am making, since in my (& presumably every other atheist's) opinion, a god of the gaps argument simply isn't convincing enough to demonstrate that there is a god, only that there might be a god.. thank you.. p.s.
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VoidEater,
The thing is, these aren't just WTS viewpoints, they're the viewpoints of most, if not all christians, muslims & jews all over the world. And since most of the believers on this board fit into one of those three catagories, this thread was aimed primarily at them & their particular definition of God as being, at His core, the creator of the universe.
Your concept of God, which i actually have come across before, in Glastonbury, England, is a very New Agey concept of God, & one which i don't see much need to argue against since you are not attempting to force it upon me. You are of course free to talk about your idea of God & tell me why you believe in it, this thread isn't closed to you, it just wasn't particularly made with you in mind, & thus i failed to accomodate you all that well.
P.S. I should also refer to the title of this thread at this point. It includes the words: "If you're a theist or deist, please answer this question."
So i did make it clear in the thread title that it was aimed at theist/deist believing people, & not those who believe in a more esoteric concept of God.
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A better way of doing it, with regards to the 'God' question. If you're a theist or deist, please answer this question.
by Psychotic Parrot inwhy are you a theist or a deist?
please give any or all reasons why without resorting to a god of the gaps argument.
that is the only condition i am making, since in my (& presumably every other atheist's) opinion, a god of the gaps argument simply isn't convincing enough to demonstrate that there is a god, only that there might be a god.. thank you.. p.s.
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agonus,
God is a metaphysical fractal. That's the best way I can describe it. Macrocosm within the microcosm, that sort of thing.
Is that really the best way you can describe it? As far as i know, fractals have nothing to do with metaphysics, & macrocosms do not exist within microcosms.
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A better way of doing it, with regards to the 'God' question. If you're a theist or deist, please answer this question.
by Psychotic Parrot inwhy are you a theist or a deist?
please give any or all reasons why without resorting to a god of the gaps argument.
that is the only condition i am making, since in my (& presumably every other atheist's) opinion, a god of the gaps argument simply isn't convincing enough to demonstrate that there is a god, only that there might be a god.. thank you.. p.s.
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VoidEater,
Sorry, but you're taking this too far now. This thread is for you to describe the God you believe in & why you believe, not for you to have a go at me for not taking into accont every possible meaning of the word God, which in your book seems to be whatever the hell you like.
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A better way of doing it, with regards to the 'God' question. If you're a theist or deist, please answer this question.
by Psychotic Parrot inwhy are you a theist or a deist?
please give any or all reasons why without resorting to a god of the gaps argument.
that is the only condition i am making, since in my (& presumably every other atheist's) opinion, a god of the gaps argument simply isn't convincing enough to demonstrate that there is a god, only that there might be a god.. thank you.. p.s.
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VoidEater,
My question was really aimed at the 99.99% of people who believe in God in the calloquial sense of the word, to take into account every possible concept of God, even ones i have not yet come across, would be simply impossible & i sense a certain amount of pride in your possession of an arcane concept of God which is not familiar to the majority of people. Perhaps that is just my observation though, i may be wrong in thinking you proud, so i'm sorry if that's the case.
This thread was aimed mainly at those who would normally try to prove God's existence (that being the majority of believers i think), & since your God is not that kind of God, i would hesitate to label it as God at all, i can't stop you from doing that though. But to me, to simply call God the act of saying "I don't know" as well as the core of our conscious mind is an obvious misuse of the word.
Imagine the following, suppose someone were to offer to give you a lift to work in their car, & then on arriving at the road they're parked in, you see that rather than having a car, they do in fact have a skateboard. On asking them why they said they have a car when in reality they have a skateboard, would you accept this as an answer? "Well that's just your narrow & loaded definition of the word car, my concept of the car is more akin to a skateboard." Personally, i would be a little offended at their misuse of the word car & would probably break their skateboard in half as punishment.
By the way, polytheism tends to come under the same umbrella as monotheism, as they are both theistic positions in a way which deism & pantheism are not. So by theism i did in fact mean both monotheism & polytheism, i should have been more clear on that, but to be honest, polytheism is really not that common around these parts.
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A better way of doing it, with regards to the 'God' question. If you're a theist or deist, please answer this question.
by Psychotic Parrot inwhy are you a theist or a deist?
please give any or all reasons why without resorting to a god of the gaps argument.
that is the only condition i am making, since in my (& presumably every other atheist's) opinion, a god of the gaps argument simply isn't convincing enough to demonstrate that there is a god, only that there might be a god.. thank you.. p.s.
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agonus,
If God is pure love (and perhaps he/she/it is), well, have you ever held your own newborn child in your arms?
For me, that's as God as it gets.
I'll get back to you if & when that happens, i'm only 22.